I have been programming CR500, CR510, CR10X and CR10 loggers with the INW pressure transducers (PS9104E, PS9105 and PS9805). To program this equipment I have been using Shortcut Software. I have noticed that the new Shortcut does not list the PS9104E and PS9805 INW pressure transducers under the water sensors options. It does however list the INW PS9105 and INW PS9105E pressure transducers. Has anyone have experience with this and found a solution?
Do I need to resort to an older version of Shortcut to program the PS9104E and PS9805 INW pressure transducers?
Jennifer,
I did a quick search through our .scs files and found support for PS9105, PS9105E, and the PS9805. Going back through our archive of Shortcut installation files, I have not been able to find reference to the PS9104E.
However with a current Shortcut installation, you should be able to find support for the PS9105, PS9105E, and the PS9805:
* PS9105 - Sensors->Water->Level & Flow-> INW PS9105 Pressure Transducer
* PS9105E - Sensors->Water->Level & Flow-> INW PS9105E Pressure Transducer
* PS9805 - Sensors->Water->Level & Flow-> CS431 Pressure and Temperature Probe (INW PS9805)
Sam
Sam,
Would you happen to know how installing a PS9104E on a CR10X logger, using the PS9105E sensor configuration, would affect the data? I am trying to troubleshoot why we are getting some bad data with this equipment. Bad data was obtained by programming with both the new shortcut program as well as editing an old DLD file created through the older (DOS based) shortcut program. I am thinking it might be a bad transducer.
Thanks,
Jennifer
Do you have a manual or spec sheet for the PS9104E? I am having trouble finding it on INW's website.
I have a pdf version of the INW PS9104E application note. How can I send it to you?
sutley .a/t. campbellsci .d/o.t. com
Follow up summary from emails not show here:
The Shortcut instruction available for the PS9105E can be used for interfacing the PS9104E. The two devices have similar operation. The PS9104E does require an additional/external 100 Ohm precision resistor at the wiring panel for monitoring the excitation voltage.
In response to this post I have been very successful in building programs for the INW PS9105 and INW PS9104E pressure transducers. Thank you!
However with the PS9805 pressure transducer I get an error when trying to write a program for a CR500 or CR510 logger. It will work with a CR10X. The error message I am getting is "The INW PS9805 cannot be added because there are no free SEAnalog connections on the CR500" What does this mean? Can I fix it? Will the PS9805 pressure transducers not work with the CR500 and CR510 loggers? My employer has been using this combination for years. What are the implications of this?
The CR500/CR510 has less analog input channels than the CR10X. When using ShortCut, each time you select an analog sensor, it will allocate a analog input on the logger to that sensor. When you get an error like - "The INW PS9805 cannot be added because there are no free SEAnalog connections on the CR500" - it means that ShortCut has already allocated all of the SE channels to other analog sensors. Try removing one or more of the analog sensors selected in ShortCut and try again.
The error message occurs when I initially program the INW PS9805 to the CR500 or CR510. There are no additional analog sensors attached or being programmed in.
Hello Jennifer,
Go to the wiring diagram page of SCWIN and see if any of the other channels are being used: 1H/1L, 2H/2L.
Regards, Dana W.
It looks like the PS9805 is requesting the following terminals:
G - Shield, Clear
1H - Vr+ Pressure, Blue
1L - Vr- Pressure, Red
AG - G Pressure, Green
AG - G Pressure, Black
2H - Vo+ Pressure, Yellow
2L - Vo- Pressure, Purple
3H - Vo Temperature, Brown
E1 - V+ Pressure, White
E2 - V+ Temperature, Orange
Notice that it is requesting use of input 3H (SE channel 5). The CR510 does not have input 3H. It only has channels 1H, 1L, 2H, and 2L.
Do you need temperature from the sensor?
If not, you could use ShortCut to create the program for a CR10X and then remove the Temp (107)(P11) instruction. It might look something like the following:
;{CR510}
;
*Table 1 Program
01: 10. Execution Interval (seconds) ;
1: Batt Voltage (P10)
1: 1 Loc [ BattV ]
2: If time is (P92)
1: 0 Minutes (Seconds --) into a
2: 1440 Interval (same units as above)
3: 30 Then Do
3: Signature (P19)
1: 2 Loc [ ProgSig ]
4: End (P95)
5: Ex-Del-Diff (P8)
1: 2 Reps
2: 3 25 mV Slow Range
3: 1 DIFF Channel
4: 1 Excite all reps w/Exchan 1
5: 1 Delay (0.01 sec units)
6: 800 mV Excitation
7: 3 Loc [ Vr_9 ]
8: 1 Multiplier
9: 0 Offset
6: Z=X/Y (P38)
1: 5 X Loc [ Vo_10 ]
2: 3 Y Loc [ Vr_9 ]
3: 6 Z Loc [ Ratio_7 ]
7: Z=X*F (P37)
1: 6 X Loc [ Ratio_7 ]
2: 100 F
3: 6 Z Loc [ Ratio_7 ]
8: Z=F x 10^n (P30)
1: 230.65 F
2: 0 n, Exponent of 10
3: 7 Z Loc [ Mult_8 ]
9: Z=X*Y (P36)
1: 6 X Loc [ Ratio_7 ]
2: 7 Y Loc [ Mult_8 ]
3: 6 Z Loc [ Ratio_7 ]
10: Z=F x 10^n (P30)
1: 461.3 F
2: 0 n, Exponent of 10
3: 8 Z Loc [ Offset_6 ]
11: Z=X+Y (P33)
1: 6 X Loc [ Ratio_7 ]
2: 8 Y Loc [ Offset_6 ]
3: 9 Z Loc [ WL_Feet_5 ]
12: Z=X*F (P37)
1: 9 X Loc [ WL_Feet_5 ]
2: 1.0 F
3: 10 Z Loc [ Head_ft ]
13: If time is (P92)
1: 0 Minutes (Seconds --) into a
2: 60 Interval (same units as above)
3: 10 Set Output Flag High (Flag 0)
14: Set Active Storage Area (P80)^9827
1: 1 Final Storage Area 1
2: 101 Array ID
15: Real Time (P77)^22940
1: 1220 Year,Day,Hour/Minute (midnight = 2400)
16: Sample (P70)^15941
1: 1 Reps
2: 10 Loc [ Head_ft ]
17: Sample (P70)^19053
1: 1 Reps
2: 11 Loc [ WatTemp_C ]
18: If time is (P92)
1: 0 Minutes (Seconds --) into a
2: 1440 Interval (same units as above)
3: 10 Set Output Flag High (Flag 0)
19: Set Active Storage Area (P80)^28872
1: 1 Final Storage Area 1
2: 102 Array ID
20: Real Time (P77)^31258
1: 1220 Year,Day,Hour/Minute (midnight = 2400)
21: Minimum (P74)^26874
1: 1 Reps
2: 0 Value Only
3: 1 Loc [ BattV ]
22: Sample (P70)^169
1: 1 Reps
2: 2 Loc [ ProgSig ]
*Table 2 Program
02: 0.0000 Execution Interval (seconds)
*Table 3 Subroutines
End Program
If I don't need temperature data from it, could I program it using the PS9105 sensor inputs? Using the same wiring but without the temperature wires (brown and orange).
The best thing to do is what I mentioned above:
"If not, you could use ShortCut to create the program for a CR10X and then remove the Temp (107)(P11) instruction. "